ASUS U30Jc: Two Steps Forward, Two Steps Sideways

First, let me make it clear that there's really a lot to like with the U30Jc. It has a great design aesthetic, it's fast enough for all but the most demanding users, and it delivers great battery life. There are faster laptops out there at the same price, but they inevitably fall short in other ways. For instance, the Acer 5740G has much faster graphics but battery life tanks. The Alienware M11x (with reasonable upgrades like 4GB RAM) has fast switchable graphics, but driver support is a lingering question and even an overclocked CULV will struggle at times. The U30Jc balances size, features, and battery life very well. So if it's not clear, the move to a Core i3/i5 platform and the improved build quality and design are the steps forward.

So what are the "sideways" steps? The first is the LCD, which remains of dubious quality at best. We've seen worse displays, true, but we've also seen many better displays. With a price of $900, it may be asking too much to get a decent LCD in the mix, but ask we shall! Next update, ASUS, please give us something like the G73Jh display, only smaller (or the 1001P display, only larger). The 1366x768 resolution is probably just about right for a 13.3" laptop, so at least we don't have to complain on that account… the 14" and 15.6" laptops with the same resolution are another story.

The other step sideways is the GPU. The ASUS ULxxVt models used a GeForce G210M, and while it was okay we definitely wanted something with a bit more oomph. 16 SPs… er… CUDA Cores with a 64-bit memory interface will easily outperform Intel's IGP (even the new Intel HD Graphics are far slower, let alone the old GMA 4500MHD), but that's like beating a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest. We really wanted at least 32 shader cores and a 128-bit interface—something like the N61Jv's GT325M would have been great. Of course, if you could get nearly everything the N61Jv offers in a 13.3" chassis, then we'd have no reason to even consider the 16" model. Anyway, ASUS claims that allocation of GT335M parts was too low to let them use that GPU back when the U30Jc was being designed; NVIDIA doesn't have much to say other than that faster mobile GPUs are readily available. We suspect NVIDIA is right and that ASUS decided not to go with a faster GPU in the U30Jc for whatever reason. So, in terms of graphics performance the G310M is "adequate" but nothing special. Optimus at least makes the inclusion of a discrete GPU a non-issue, provided you're running Windows 7.

To Intel's credit, their HD Graphics in Arrandale are generally more than twice as fast as the old GMA 4500, and we have to wonder what NVIDIA will do if/when Sandy Bridge comes out. If Intel can double the number of shader cores, increase the clock speed, and give their IGP more memory bandwidth they could easily close the gap. They still need to work out some driver issues, though, as we've encountered several games that refuse to run at all on Intel's IGPs (GRID, DiRT 2, Fallout 3, and Mass Effect 2 to name just a few we've encountered). [Update: As one reader pointed out, the latest Intel drivers fix GRID and DiRT 2; Fallout 3 is hard-coded to not like Intel it appears, and the hacked d3d.dll still crashes after 20-40 seconds for me. So they're better than a month ago but still need work.] The Intel IGP in the U30Jc does handle multimedia functions without difficulty, and having an NVIDIA GPU means you can also get accelerated Flash 10.1 support without worrying about Intel fixing their drivers. And that leads us into the final tally.

As a multimedia platform, the U30Jc truly excels. It can handle everything from standard 360p/480p Hulu Flash video up through 1080p H.264 content and never break a sweat. With its reasonably light weight and good battery life, it will work as a portable movie platform on long flights, or just for doing mundane business work all day without the need to search for an outlet. Even better is that the U30Jc can do all of this and still deliver an attractive chassis at a good price. The G310M won't be able to run every game on the planet acceptably (and likely we'll see some titles over the coming years that push graphics even harder), but it will run nearly everything at low to minimum detail at the native resolution.

If you have to pick between $750-$900 laptops these days, the final decision ultimately comes down to personal preference. Those looking for a laptop that offers good performance with all day battery life will find the U30Jc is right up their alley. Priced at around $900, it's at the higher end of the spectrum but some of the costs come from for the aluminum surfaces and inclusion of an Optimus enabled GPU. (Worth note is that the U30Jc is a popular laptop right now, so we've seen the Newegg price jump $20 just the past few days and other online retailers are backordered. Shop around if you're not in a hurry.)

If you're looking more at a gaming laptop, the Acer 5740G warrants a close look. Most sub-$1000 gaming laptops will deliver about half the battery life of the U30Jc but around twice the graphics horsepower. Just look for any laptop with a GT325M, GT330M, GT335M, or higher—or on the ATI side, the HD 5650 is a great performer with added features like DX11 support and performance that generally beats the GT335M. The same goes for the HD 5730 (and the HD 5750 and HD 5770 if anyone starts using them), although pricing tends to be in the $1000+ range for most of those laptops. You'll also be looking at 15.6" and larger laptops at that point, so for the 14" and smaller crowd the options are very limited.

Really, some of the toughest competition for ASUS comes from their previous offerings. Compared to the old UL30a and UL30Vt, the new U30Jc offers substantially more CPU performance and a better chassis than the glossy black models. The silver UL30Vt on the other hand looked just as nice. ASUS also adds an optical drive into the mix, and the price is now $900 compared to the $800 for the UL30Vt. The laptop weighs a bit more and is a bit thicker and gets slightly less battery life, so if you prefer a true thin and light you might want to look at the UL30Vt (which will likely fade away in the coming months). For those more interested in CPU performance and features, the U30Jc with Core i3 and Optimus graphics is a great buy and should keep you happy for several years to come.

We awarded the UL80Vt a Bronze Editors' Choice last year, and at this point the new U30Jc supersedes that recommendation and earns a Bronze Award as well. Both are still worthy of consideration, but we'd lean more towards the added performance and Optimus Technology in the U30Jc. A better LCD and GPU are the only things that keep this from taking home the Gold. If you're keeping track, the ASUS N61Jv, Eee 1001P, and G73Jh have all received Editors' Choice Awards in recent months. It's not that we're playing favorites, but ASUS' mobile division is managing to put out some very compelling products. Whether it's netbooks, ultraportables, thin and lights, multimedia, or even gaming notebooks, ASUS has some excellent laptops available right now at very reasonable prices.

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  • solipsism - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    I'd like to see this machine compared with latest MacBook. There seems to be some evidence to suggest Apple did the right thing withs sticking with C2D this time around in their 13" machines. This machine seems to be a great machine which to compare.
  • Daeros - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    I agree completely. For the extra hundred bucks, you get similar specs, even better battery life (and Bluetooth), as well as somewhat faster graphics. For all the bashing Apple takes for its pricing, it seems that whenever a pc company like ASUS or HP or Dell attempt to get to that level of size & performance, it winds up being very close in price.
    I second a request for this to go head-to head with the 13" Macbook.
  • anandtechrocks - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    I disagree completely. if you go by apple's claims you get less than 50 minutes more battery life, a processor that is anywhere from 15-40% slower, half the ram, a smaller hard drive, and a plastic case for $100 dollars more. I know what I'd pick...
  • FATCamaro - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    Please note that the Asus doesn't appear to come with abgn networking instead just bgn. So it only has a 2.4Ghz radio it seems, not a 5 Ghz. one. I could be wrong. Other than that and the shit LCD it is a fine MBP alternative for Windows users.
  • anandtechrocks - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    mbp is like $300 more than this isn't it? I think the regular MB is a better competitor, which also doesn't have the best LCD. don't forget apple offers half the warranty of this Asus too
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    Depending on the application, you'd need about a Core 2 P9700 (2.8GHz) to equal a 2.26GHz Core i3-350M. In highly threaded workloads, the only way you'd com anywhere near the faster Core i5 processors is by getting a Core 2 Quad, but with the lower clock speeds on quad-core you'll be slower in lightly threaded tasks (i.e. the i3-350M is as fast as Q9000 in PCMark Vantage). It all depends on the app, but when you consider Core 2 Quad also consumes quite a bit more power in testing (i3/i5 idle far better than C2Q), there really aren't too many areas where I'd recommend Core 2 over Core i3/i5.

    I think Apple went with Core 2 Duo (P8600) for the MacBook because they could reuse some old tech and got a good price more than anything. (Maybe NVIDIA gave them a good deal on the chipset as well.) It also keeps the standard MacBook a decent step down from the MacBook Pro.

    The Macbook has a 320M IGP GPU, so it has 3x as many shaders as 310M but it has to share system memory. (48 shaders at 950 vs. 16 shaders at 1530 means the 320M has 85% more shader performance but has to make do with about half the memory bandwidth.) That might mean it ends up with the same relative performance as the 310M in a lot of situations, depending on whether the particular game is bandwidth or shader limited.

    Other than slightly better battery life I'd say the U30Jc beats the MacBook in most other area. The size and weight are pretty much the same (MB is slightly thinner but not enough that I'd worry about it), ASUS gives you 4GB vs. 2GB, and a 320GB vs. 250GB hard drive. It's $100 cheaper and has aluminum surfaces as well. I'm curious about the LCD, though... MBPs have good LCDs, but the standard MacBooks have usually skimped there. 1280x800 vs. 1366x768 is a wash in my book but I'm sure some would prefer the 16:10 AR of the MacBook.

    Of course, if you prefer OS X over Windows 7 the choice is clear. Similarly, if you prefer Windows 7 there's no point in buying a MacBook. MacBooks booting Windows have never reached the same battery life as under OS X. Anyway, we'll see if we can get a MacBook for testing, but I won't be the one doing the review.
  • VivekGowri - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    The 13" MacBook Pro also has a Core 2 Duo, suggesting more that Apple didn't want to put Core i5 processors into the smaller/cheaper models. Whether this is because they wanted to differentiate the larger/more expensive 15" model, or because they wanted to maximize profit margins (C2D's must be dirt cheap right now...) we don't know.

    It just doesn't seem entirely likely to me that they couldn't do it or couldn't fit both the larger i5 processor package and the secondary IGP into the MB/MBP case (there are enough other laptops with Core iX and dedicated graphics out there in small chassis; the U30Jc is just one example). Also, I'm not buying Steve's comment that Apple couldn't justify the "very small CPU speed increase".

    I may (*may*) end up with one of the newly updated MacBooks sometime soon, but as Jarred says, we'll see if we can get one and who does the review.
  • Penti - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    Hardly, a Core i5-520M costs $225 and a P8600 costs $209 (listed price), there no price difference in the processor/chipset platform. It's $265 with chipset for 520M + HM55. Apple might get an rebate, but they might get one or the newer platform too. It's probably the same cost as the old hardware any way. Overpriced as usual.
  • Penti - Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - link

    I think more then likely it's just space concerns that has them using C2D + NVIDIA chipset, they do the same in the MBP 13" for the same reason. Switching to Core i5 + HM55 + GPU / Memory takes up more space on the circuit board. Something there aren't a lot of on Macbooks. Of course this is essentially the old Macbook so they could reuse pretty much everything anyway. The chipset is probably even pin-compatible. But they appear to have tweaked the battery though, although the case itself is exactly the same.

    Of course something like adding to the size of the PCB would dictate a case redesign and the removal of the dvd-drive possibly.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, May 20, 2010 - link

    As I pointed out in the MacBook posting comments, there's no problem with getting all of the components with a discrete GPU into the MacBook. It's .1" narrower and .4" less deep, but ASUS has a removable battery that accounts for much of the extra depth. Apple chose the old platform for cost savings--both for the lower prices on the CPU+chipset as well as the ability to reuse the old design without having to spend a lot of time on accommodating a new chipset, CPU, etc. The sad thing is that Apple doesn't pass any of those savings on to the customer: a MacBook still costs $1000, even if it has two year old technology--outside of the chipset, which you could argue is "new". Too bad we never got a chance to have that chipset back when it would have been useful; now it's relegated to Core 2 platforms that are going away.

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